Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1970-10-04
- Live concert
- Grateful Dead
- DeadLists Project
Trucking and the first couple notes of Till the Morning Comes are missing due to an announcer speaking from the FM broadcast. There is a large dropout near the very beginning of Next Time You See Me as well as another large dropout in the right channel later in the song.
- 2004-05-30 20:00:39
- SBD > FM > MR > Reel > ? > CD > SHN
- San Francisco, CA
- FM Soundboard
- Taped by
- Transferred by
- Winterland Arena
Subject: Make yourself easy..
Garcia dishing backing vocals on NEXT TIME
China>Rider and really jamming Good Lovin
Subject: Some absolute gems
The China->Rider is excellent but the heart of the show is Good Lovin out of Drums and Sugar Magnolia. Jerry's really creative and inventive.
Subject: my 3rd GD show
What I remember most from this show was that some guy was passing out free psilocybin(which I of course took) and Grace Slick announcing from the stage "We'd all like to thank the Psilly Man for his generosity tonight." And that the GD definitely sounded different live than on album.
We did not find out until the next day that Janis had died that night.
Subject: energetic but quite sloppy
Sugar Magnolia is WAAAY too fast, and it sounds like the band can barely keep up the tempo. As far as Garcia in Casey Jones is concerned, it just shows you what can happen if either you are too stoned, or you have a bad monitor setup (or both).
Yes, I know, the Dead were not overly concerned with professional polish, and their modus operandi allowed them to take risks that others would not. But I'm sure they were embarrassed by such slip-ups, especially when they knew that other bands were in attendance, and were probably listening. In this case, the band was probably not happy to know that the concert was being broadcast as well.
Subject: Screamin' Gee-tar on Sugar Mag
I remember we (Mu & I) left early - a school night - and back at your place, watched the last few songs (Quicksilver) on KQED.
I remember this nite was my 1st time at Winterland.
I recall the giddy fun-barrel-at-Playland feeling I got, looking at the lights from the mirror ball moving across the floor as we walked in.
"Yes, yes - I definitely remember that first one at Winterland. I would sure love to have a copy of that show...I could never remember if it was in 1970 or 1971 - thanks for clearing that up for me. At first we were to the right side of the stage (from the audience point of view), then we moved to watch for a little bit of Jefferson Airplane's set from the left side of the stage, then as you say caught a ride home with my Dad and watched the rest of it on TV (Ch.9, KQED). Yeah, I loved the mirror-ball too!"
Subject: The Great Quadraphonic Broadcast
I was not able to attend this show because when Bill Graham announced this as the Quicksilver Retirement Show the tickets were gobbled up in one day. If you didn't live next to a ticket outlet in San Francisco you were out of luck. Demand was so high for tix that Graham added another show the next night which I was able to attend and was sort of a wake for Janis. It was a low key affair.
But on this night we ventured over to the neighborhood geek's house and he set up an incredible sound system for us with dual FM receivers and tv sets all over his wire-strewn house. The sound was indescribably phat and with close-ups of the band on our tv screens it was better than being in Winterland. Never had I heard anything so well-defined sonically. It was that good. No, it was great. The music sounded so good it made you instantly high without drugs.
On a side note, because of the dual FM broadcast the normal 3 to 7 second delay was not in effect, it was the first time I had ever heard the F-bomb over the airwaves. Dusty Street, a DJ for KSAN, was interviewing people backstage with her ersatz, turned-on hippie chick patter and when she asked the bespectacled Mr Casady, "Isn't this far-out?" good ol' Jack looked at her with disdain and said plainly "F___ you!" I almost went into convulsions for I had never been that fond of Dusty Street. I always thought she was a phony. I was not wrong. She not only found the Grateful Dead to be despicable morons, but she deemed all of the SF rock scene as an insult to her highbrow jazz and classical tastes. Hey, this was just a job to her.
There were a select few more quadraphonic broadcasts in the SF region in 1970 and 1971 and that was it. There was no interest from the FM stations to carry the same programming as a competitor. Such a shame. I will never forget the sound emanating from those speakers at Groover McTuber's house that night. In a way it was kind of his coming out party for he had a bad rep in the area and the neighborhood mothers didn't want their innocent little darlings to go over to his house for fear he would tarnish our souls. But Groover was no phony. He turned out to be a very nice and hospitable man and that is why we must cherish our electronics nerds. Still, to this day, I have yet to hear better sound reproduction coming from home stereo speakers. A toast to you Groover, wherever you may be.
This rates a 5 for sheer historical value.
Subject: Phil is on Fire
Rest In Peace Beautiful Janis
Subject: Looking for Video of this night
Subject: This is the night
Subject: reopening of winterland
Subject: Another Mystery Solved!
Subject: Morning Becomes Electric
There are many sound quirks to this recording, but overall it is a very good '70 show, but not a great one in a year of great shows -- my favorite Dead year too (at least for now).
Subject: Phil Lesh was on fire
Oh yes - the other GD members were not slouches either!!!! Remember, when we saw this show in present time, a lot of the GD material was still fresh.
Subject: Definitive China-Rider
Phil is massive in this show, really ferocious. I can imagine that he considered this tone to be over-distorted; not really, Phil, it's a long way from Jack Bruce and Tim Bogert sub-sonic flatulence.
So that's one reason to get this under-noticed show. The other is the definitive China-Rider. Not the longest, cleanest, or furthest out, this is nonetheless a great one, with intuitive guitar interaction, and passionate vocals. For me, from that ancient anonymous bootleg, this has been the China-Rider to compare all others to, and getting to hear it again after all these years confirms that.
(This was the night Janis Joplin died. I've read in several places how the back-stage staff attempted to keep the band unaware of that. It's clear they succeeded, because this show is too joyous to have been aware of the tragedy in LA.)
Subject: A Little Confusion Here
This version of Uncle John's Band is used as an extra track on the current relase of "Workingman's Dead" (here, the liner notes say Winterland Oct 4 1970 which corresponds with archive.org).
Garcia's chops are impressive; here he is very snappy and charged up. High voltage solo in Sugar Magnolia.
Subject: Decent show
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